Log in

I forgot my password

Latest topics
» Offering donation based LOA coaching!
by Spiritual Hustler Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:54 pm

» 6 weeks to happiness!
by Spiritual Hustler Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:56 pm

» Your year for Love and Happiness :)
by Spiritual Hustler Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:47 pm

» Invoking Venus to attract love :)
by Spiritual Hustler Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:20 pm

» A Journey of the Goddesses through the Chakra Systems
by Spiritual Hustler Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:38 pm

» Voting with vibration..
by Spiritual Hustler Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:34 pm

» Missing You!
by President Roosevelt Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:53 am

» How to FREE yourself from the story of pain :)
by Spiritual Hustler Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:55 pm

» The medicine of the Dark Goddess
by Spiritual Hustler Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:16 pm

» Build the Queendom and they will come
by Spiritual Hustler Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:13 pm

» How to feel loved when you are feeling sad
by Spiritual Hustler Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:35 am

» The Single Most Important Thing You can do for YOU
by Spiritual Hustler Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:18 pm

» Feel. Good. Now.
by Spiritual Hustler Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:02 pm

» Circumstances don’t matter..
by Spiritual Hustler Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:04 pm

» You are already on the right path to everything you desire
by Roxychick Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:39 am

» Creating space for the law of attraction to deliver blessings
by Spiritual Hustler Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:56 pm

» Guidance from the Universe
by The Simplifier Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:44 am

» What to do when life gets crazy!
by Spiritual Hustler Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:20 pm

Top posting users this week

Top 10 Topics
• Neville's Teachings
• Manifesting through the Law of Giving / Recieving
• "Build it and it will come"
• 7 day manifestation experiment
• Limiting Beliefs
• "Attachment" and "Letting Go"
• On Suffering and Avoiding (Spira)
• What are you grateful for today?
• Procrastination and Laziness
• The "Others"

Poll

What is your favourite type of exercise?

0% 0% [ 0 ]
33% 33% [ 1 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
33% 33% [ 1 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
33% 33% [ 1 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]

Total Votes : 3

June 2017
MonTueWedThuFriSatSun
   1234
567891011
12131415161718
19202122232425
2627282930  

Calendar Calendar

Current Moon

Le Cafe Moon
Horoscopes
Gallery




A Question About Paris

View previous topic View next topic Go down

A Question About Paris

Post by President Roosevelt on Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:29 pm

This was an interesting question that was asked on the Law of Attraction section of reddit:

Are people attracting death to themselves? And not just terrorist attacks, but war, tsunamis, earthquakes, and is it caused by a vibration of fearing death?

This is the link to it: https://www.reddit.com/r/lawofattraction/comments/3svvmi/people_attracting_deth_paris_issue_are_they_doing/

What do you guys think?

This is my opinion. I replied to OP as SolidSnake_Foxhound:

"There are some people out there who think that the Law of Probability precedes the Law of Attraction. So until we firmly put our mind onto something and solidify our belief, probability will take center stage. So I suppose the argument over France would be that since they didn't have subconscious beliefs in their own safety, then probability ruled and learned toward terrorism. I don't buy this argument, mostly because if you're going to argue that your subconscious beliefs attract reality than there really should be no probability.

Another argument one could make is that perhaps terrorism is expected at a subconscious level and that's how Paris attracted it. After all, France has its own unique problems with the Muslim enclave, freedom of religion, and far-right nationalism, high unemployment and economic slack, and other problems. Logically, this all contributes to a hotbed of fear and insecurity that can attract more terror, but it's a loaded argument. After all, how can we know what's really on the minds of so many people?

The attacks happened on a Friday evening at the French-German games and cafes, so I can't buy Abraham's wisdom here since surely the French were feeling joy that night? Or, not trying to be funny or insensitive here, death was the closest to their joy? Another way of looking at this is that perhaps the terrorist attack is like a manifestation to bring greater joy? Again, I don't mean to be insensitive, but it's analogous to a fever killing out the virus when you have the flu. Metaphysically, flu is caused by fear or relying on too many fearful thoughts that cause too much stress on the body. It's painful, but when the sickness is over, you feel much more energetic and more alive than ever. As horrible as 9/11 was, I've never seen a more unifying incident in America where every race, religion, ethnicity, political party, and economic class seemed to be gathered as one and really came together by what they had in common, at least for a limited time. The outpouring of grief reinvigorated America with a sense of real oneness, like how a fever can return us to feeling alive again. Hopefully, the Paris attacks can do the same thing and remind people of what's important in life and how we have to love each other for who we really are inside and stick together and help each other. That's kind of the majesty of Death, isn't it? Death helps us to be grateful for life, love, and joy, reminds us of these things, and helps us come together. After all, unconditional love and joy are supposed to be the highest vibrations. In my opinion, terrorists in general and ISIS in particular want to destroy America by taking down these vibrations with their actions. After these attacks, far-right nationalists might take center stage, the world might become a lot less tolerant and open, racism and prejudice may go up, and Western nations may even stop helping refugees or 3rd world people in need within Arab nations, out of fear. This is the perfect situation for ISIS because then they can continue to slaughter the refugees who have nowhere to go as they expand, and they can use the Western world's perceived intolerance to gain new recruits. We reap what we sow and it's very prevalent here.

In the "reap what we sow" context, or "Law of Compensation" as Emerson and Napoleon Hill put it, I guess you could say that Western nations are reaping the consequences of years and years of "sins" in foreign policy, and this goes back probably to WWI and before then. You might even say that France, and Europe as a whole, is still paying for its sins from the Crusades since that's how Muslim terrorists tend to see the West: Crusaders who invaded their lands and killed innocent people. And now after all this time the West is getting payback because Islamic extremists are just like the Crusaders, just under a different religious banner. American foreign policy, as much as I have supported it, has deviated drastically from the Founders policy and even went against American principles, especially to keep America in power during the Cold War. The Arab-Israeli conflict, for example, was a proxy war between the U.S. and Soviet Union, as were several conflicts in Africa and Asia. The result has been more bloodshed and loss of innocent lives, so in that sense 9/11 was like payback for that. So if you believe that the energy we put into the world comes back to us, then American foreign policy and French history can be good clues as to why terrorists hate us and want to attack us.

Another way of looking at this is the Law of One or the Oneness of All People. If we look to a Muslim Syrian boy and say he's a terrorist, he's evil scum, is he really evil? We have no evidence, he has done nothing to deserve to be called evil, but being Muslim and Syrian is enough in our fear-filled minds to demonize him. But he becomes a terrorist just as we expected, just as we believed, and just as we painted him out to be. But we believed in his evilness, thus how can we blame him when it was our own belief first and foremost that caused it (by the Law of Attraction?) Neville Goddard was fond of writing that what we subconsciously believe about others is what we get out of them. And what drives this belief? Our own fear which began with us. We look to the world and see evil, see terrorists, see carnage...but do we look inside and see how our own fear and acting on this fear with prejudice and violence attracts more of the very same evil? We think using drones to kill al-Quida in Somalia is heroic, but when young children in Somalia witness this and lose loved ones, they will be afraid of us, and bury fear with anger and revenge against us. We become the evil in their eyes. We're all one after all, what we believe about others comes from inside of us. That's why it's not enough to denounce and repudiate the evil actions of others, it is completely useless. If we truly want to change the world, we need to change ourselves.

In the end, it's very difficult to say how Paris attracted the attacks. I believe in the power of manifestation, I've used it before with scattered success but amazing results on the things I really wanted and put the most intense feelings and self-confidence in. I think in the end, the Paris attacks can be a wake-up call for a new change in consciousness, one that moves away from revenge and fear based consciousness to a new global consciousness of true unconditional love. Take away the woo-ha, the basics of what I'm trying to say will be called down to reality as the West begins to truly question "Why is ISIS gaining so many recruits? Why are they really attacking us? And how can we change the way we relate to people, not as a government but as a real people, to make the world a better place and realize liberty, equality, and fraternity?" The answer, I strongly believe, is not limited to just dropping bombs on ISIS."
avatar
President Roosevelt
Founder
Founder

Male
Posts : 417
Points : 2364
Thanks : 1881

Location : Chicago

Back to top Go down

Re: A Question About Paris

Post by Guest on Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:39 am

First of all, I'd like to say that I'm still deeply shocked at the news from Paris, and will remain so any time I think of it. I realise we all are, the whole world is.



It reminds me of something an Australian firefighter said during some bad bushfires we had a few years ago, when he watched people he couldn't save burning to death... he said it makes you believe in something, there has to be something, some sort of afterlife, karma and reincarnation, something. It can't be arbitrary, accidental. People just blacking out like lights. There has to be some meaning in life, and in death. For innocent people to be simply taken, like that, in such a horrible way -- it's unspeakable.

President Roosevelt wrote:As horrible as 9/11 was, I've never seen a more unifying incident in America where every race, religion, ethnicity, political party, and economic class seemed to be gathered as one and really came together by what they had in common, at least for a limited time. The outpouring of grief reinvigorated America with a sense of real oneness, like how a fever can return us to feeling alive again. Hopefully, the Paris attacks can do the same thing and remind people of what's important in life and how we have to love each other for who we really are inside and stick together and help each other. That's kind of the majesty of Death, isn't it? Death helps us to be grateful for life, love, and joy, reminds us of these things, and helps us come together. After all, unconditional love and joy are supposed to be the highest vibrations.

As I said on chat, this is my favourite part of your thought-provoking post, PR. There is nothing more life-affirming than actually truly thinking about death. Disaster draws people together because suddenly, all the insignificant things fall away. They realise what is truly important. If only more of us realised this more often. This is why Catholicism and Buddhism emphasise remembering our own mortality: "Think on death." "Live every day as if it were your last."

Life is so precious. When we have life and good health, we are truly blessed. Every moment is a jewel.



We none of us know how long we have left. The only things that matter - truly matter - are kindness and compassion for others, and for ourselves. Love. That is, at the bottom, what it's all about. There is a line in the opera La Traviata by Verdi - "Love is the heartbeat of the universe." I believe it really is. Not in the romantic sense only - in the deepest, purest sense of love, the love that carries within it all other loves. Love is the heartbeat of the universe. What could be more beautiful?

President Roosevelt wrote:Another way of looking at this is the Law of One or the Oneness of All People. If we look to a Muslim Syrian boy and say he's a terrorist, he's evil scum, is he really evil? We have no evidence, he has done nothing to deserve to be called evil, but being Muslim and Syrian is enough in our fear-filled minds to demonize him. But he becomes a terrorist just as we expected, just as we believed, and just as we painted him out to be.

I believe this - I think in many cases it can be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Globally, Muslims are demonised, and therefore some of the people we believe will be evil actually do carry out evil actions, because the expectation influences them. (At the end of the day, I don't personally believe that anyone is fundamentally evil - though someone like Hitler makes you wonder - I believe there are no "evil people", just sad and twisted people who do evil things out of their own pain.)

I don't see it literally in the LOA way of "he turns out evil because our thoughts make him so" -- for example, there have been times in my life I've been mistaken in what I thought about someone. Not long ago I thought a friend hated me and it turned out he didn't at all. However, it's well known that people behave as they are treated or expected to behave. I remember reading of a new teacher who was given a class list where all her students had numbers written next to their names. She thought, my goodness, what high IQs, they've given me a class of geniuses! So she treated them all like high-flying intellectuals, and they did brilliantly on all their exams and assignments, just as she expected they would.

At the end of the year, she found out that the numbers next to their names were their locker numbers.



So there we have the recipients of positive expectations and actions -- but what I've never liked about the LOA is the flip side, which is more than evident when we think of terrible events such as Paris. It's "blaming the victim" -- if LOA is a constant, the victims of tragedy attracted their deaths. I'd love to hear people's thoughts on this, especially Lotus' and Desideratum's. In a hypothetical example, take a baby who dies or a child that's run over by a car and killed. Did they attract their own deaths? Surely not.

Death is the great leveller, and it shows us who we really are. Without death, there could be no life - not as we know it. Death and life are two sides of the same coin.

What are we, any of us?
We are particles of love.
We are trapped in time,
but we are also infinite.

Our minds are trapped in duality,
But our consciousness - one consciousness -
is beyond everything, eternal.

Those who are lost are never lost - really. They remain in some part of the universe,
and they remain in the hearts of those who loved them.

“Do you hear the people sing
Lost in the valley of the night?
It is the music of a people
Who are climbing to the light.

For the wretched of the earth
There is a flame that never dies.
Even the darkest night will end
And the sun will rise.”

― Victor Hugo, Les Misérables



Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: A Question About Paris

Post by Night Eyes on Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:12 am

hmmmmm i have so many different thoughts on this subject, i dont even know what to say.

*holds tongue*

_________________
NightEyes Special 1
avatar
Night Eyes
Top Poster
Top Poster

Female
Posts : 1405
Points : 5894
Thanks : 4363

Zodiac : Aquarius
Location : Wales

Back to top Go down

Re: A Question About Paris

Post by Guest on Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:03 am

Thich Nhat Hanh on responding to violence:

I would suggest that we do everything we can to restore our calm and our lucidity before responding to the situation. To respond too quickly before we have much understanding of the situation may be very dangerous. The first thing we can do is to cool the flames of anger and hatred that are so strong in us. As mentioned before, it is crucial to look at the way we feed the hatred and violence within us and to take immediate steps to cut off the nourishment for our hatred and violence.

When we react out of fear and hatred, we do not yet have a deep understanding of the situation. Our action will only be a very quick and superficial way of responding to the situation and not much true benefit and healing will occur. Yet if we wait and follow the process of calming our anger, looking deeply into the situation, and listening with great will to understand the roots of suffering that are the cause of the violent actions, only then will we have sufficient insight to respond in such a way that healing and reconciliation can be realized for everyone involved.

What is evil? It is when the face of God, the face of the Buddha within us has become hidden. It is up to us to choose whether the evil side becomes more important, or whether the side of God and the Buddha shines out. Although the side of great ignorance, of evil, may be manifesting strongly at one time, that does not mean that God is not there.

We can begin right now to practice calming our anger, looking deeply at the roots of the hatred and violence in our society and in our world, and listening with compassion in order to hear and understand what we have not yet had the capacity to hear and to understand. When the drop of compassion begins to form in our hearts and minds, we begin to develop concrete responses to our situation. When we have listened and looked deeply, we may begin to develop the energy of brotherhood and sisterhood between all nations, which is the deepest spiritual heritage of all religious and cultural traditions. In this way the peace and understanding within the whole world is increased day by day.

To develop the drop of compassion in our own heart is the only effective spiritual response to hatred and violence. That drop of compassion will be the result of calming our anger, looking deeply at the roots of our own violence, deep listening, and understanding the suffering of everyone involved in the acts of hatred and violence.




Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: A Question About Paris

Post by Night Eyes on Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:37 pm


_________________
NightEyes Special 1
avatar
Night Eyes
Top Poster
Top Poster

Female
Posts : 1405
Points : 5894
Thanks : 4363

Zodiac : Aquarius
Location : Wales

Back to top Go down

Re: A Question About Paris

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

View previous topic View next topic Back to top


Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum