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Post by rodan on Sat Jul 25, 2015 10:54 am

Many times I read posts where someone says, " Why can't I get what I want?  How come LOA doesn't work for me. "  Or, " I feel depressed, rejected. No one likes me. I feel like everyone is against me. "  Or,  " I pray to God, but, He doesn't answer my prayers. I'm even worse off than before I've heard of LOA or the movie " The Secret", etc.   What am I doing wrong? "

We live in this world following our daily activities, the routine of life.  We live from a physical reality.  Many of us take no thought of the spiritual side of us, and, yes, there is a spiritual side of each and every one of us. It may go by different names,such as, "higher dimensions, heaven, astral world,dark matter,  holographic universe, etc.", call it what you will, but, there is more to each of us than just our physical bodies.

This topic is for those that are willing to explore that side, the spiritual side of us.

Finding your spiritual awareness, learning how to live life through it, rather than from the physical.  

Is it for you? Check out this link:

http://www.deeptrancenow.com/supernatural.htm

Read through it, see what you think.  Make comments on it, if you like.  It may or may not be for you, at this time on your journey.

Many thanks to "Lotus" for posting this link in another thread.

BTW, I linked this website for the information provided.  That site does have material both for free and for sale.  Just wanted to let you know.
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Post by Night Eyes on Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:13 pm

thanks for this Rodan i really enjoyed reading this link so far, i havent read it all, so i will comment more once i have goldstar

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Post by rodan on Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:47 am

Something Dr. Laura De Giorgio, ( the author of this website ), explains, in this link, is the difference between:

The consciousness of oneness and,

The consciousness of separation.,

which exist under the category of supernatural powers.

She says, psychics/magicians work from the consciousness of separation.

Some eventually evolve into the consciousness of oneness, using the all encompassing, one living spirit.

I found that interesting and believable.

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Post by Night Eyes on Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:29 am

yes i found that bit really interesting too!

i also liked the part about the different powers depending on what you focus on


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Post by Pixie-Mara on Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:55 pm

I liked the part about what we focus on is where the different powers come from, like Night Eyes said. It's kind of LOA-inspired, what you focus on expands.
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Post by Lotus ♥ on Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:52 am

Hi Rodan.

Hope you're fine. Just found this website and thought you might be interested.

https://supernaturalreal.wordpress.com/

Take it with a grain of salt though, not because it's untrue or exaggerating, but only because this presentation here is over-simplified. (Although they didn't mention this, all information on this site originally came from the Buddha himself and the content is authentic. This type of meditation is known as Kasina Meditation in Buddhism, and those supernatural powers are adequately explained or at least referred to in several Buddhist scriptures—for example in the Patisambhidamagga, part of the Pali Canon itself, or again just for example in the Vissuddhimagga, a central scripture in Theravada Buddhism. Please note that the same supernatural powers, more or less, are also mentioned in Yoga, from the rival Hinduism, and again in such authentic and respectful scriptures as the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali).

So to me personally, that these powers exist is beyond doubt. There is even a "science" behind them and they have a very logical foundation—had we first fully understood the "mind" and its stunning powers. However, these powers are not easy to attain. They're not that simple as presented here on such websites as this one above mentioned. But they're not impossible either. What I actually mean by this post is to only emphasize the importance of "concentration" and of "mind mastery" in general (through meditation, through Pranayama, through knowledge, whatever…). One may never attain any of these supernatural powers, but for sure, through mind mastery, you can double your natural powers and significantly improve and accelerate the manifestation of your natural desires.

Finally this prosperity meditation
https://supernaturalreal.wordpress.com/meditation/meditation-for-the-prosperity-and-happiness/

is also from the same website, again in case you're interested.
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Post by Freya on Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:32 am

This is a truly fascinating subject. Smiley

To me, the following is the most incredible supernatural power I've heard of, ever:

The following conversation with Swami Vivekananda (Swamiji) was recorded by his disciple Sharat Chandra Chakravarty in the year 1898.

In it Swamiji highlights the extraordinary fact that on account of his practicing strict Brahmacharya (sexual abstinence in thoughts, words and deeds) his entire life, he developed such tremendous powers of mind, that he could effortlessly commit to memory 10 volumes of the Encyclopaedia Britannica in one single reading alone.
At the time this conversation took place Swami Vivekananda was 35 years old.


A few days ago, a new set of the Encyclopaedia Britannica had been bought for the Math (Belur monastery). Seeing the new shining volumes, the disciple said to Swamiji, “It is almost impossible to read all these books in a single lifetime.” He was unaware that Swamiji had already finished ten volumes and had begun the eleventh.

Swamiji: “What do you say? Ask me anything you like from these ten volumes, and I will answer you all.”

The disciple asked in wonder, “Have you read all these books?”

Swamiji: “Why should I ask you to question me otherwise?”

Being examined, Swamiji not only reproduced the sense, but at places the very language of the difficult topics selected from each volume. The disciple, astonished, put aside the books, saying, “This is not within human power!”

Swamiji: “Do you see, simply by the observance of strict Brahmacharya (vow of celibacy in thought, word and deed) all learning can be mastered in a very short time — one has an unfailing memory of what one hears or knows but once. It is owing to this want of continence that everything is on the brink of ruin in our country.”

Story #2 – Swami Vivekananda’s Unique Manner of Reading Books

The following account has been taken from the book The Life of Swami Vivekananda, Volume 1 (Chapter: Wanderings in the Himalayas). Prior to his journey to America, Swami Vivekananda travelled across the length and breadth of India as a wandering monk. At the time of this story, Swamiji was staying in Meerut with some other direct disciples of Sri Ramakrishna, one of whom was Swami Akhandananda.

At the Swami’s (Swami Vivekananda’s) bidding Akhandananda used to bring books for him from the local library. Once the Swami asked him to bring the works of Sir John Lubbock. Accordingly Akhandananda brought them, one volume each day.

The Swami would finish a volume in a day and return it the next day, saying that he had read it. The librarian argued with Akhandananda that the Swami had surely returned the volume without reading it, and remarked that the latter was only making a show of reading.

Hearing this, the Swami himself went to the librarian and said, “Sir, I have mastered all those volumes: if you have any doubt, you may put any question to me about them.” The librarian then examined the monk, and by doing so became fully satisfied. Great was his astonishment.

Later Akhandananda asked Swamiji how he could do it. The swami replied, “I never read a book word by word. I read sentence by sentence, sometimes even paragraph by paragraph, in a sort of kaleidoscopic form.”

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Post by moretocome on Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:52 am

The most powerful and amazing examples I have ever read are found in the book, Autobiography of a Yogi.

This remains my favorite book of all time because:

1) The examples of the incredible capabilities (and great humility) of true Masters are nothing short of mind-blowing.

2) During the period of time that I was reading Autobiography of a Yogi, I had two extremely memorable experiences.

The first one occurred while in meditation. As I meditated one day, unexpectedly, Sri Yukteswar (one of the Masters / Gurus no longer living) made contact with me. His energy and intense image came into my mind's eye very suddenly and powerfully. This continued to happen repeatedly during that single meditation.

The second experience also happened in meditation and involved another extremely advanced Master / Guru spoken of in the book. This Master's Presence (Mahavatar Babaji) came over me and I began to weep uncontrollably. I was overcome with emotion and it felt like "coming home" somehow. Very strange and powerful experience.

Both of these were completely unexpected as I was not thinking of either of these Masters when I was meditating. Their contact left a lasting impression, to say the least. Smiley  

I continue to have contact with both of them.

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Post by President Roosevelt on Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:49 am

moretocome, what did they say to you?
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Post by moretocome on Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:32 am

President Roosevelt wrote:moretocome, what did they say to you?

Great question PR! It's a bit difficult to put into words, so please bear with me as I try to convey it in words.

Most contact has been while in meditation and transmitted through telepathic feelings and images. Also, they will place their thoughts into my mind. I've also asked them to work with me during sleep.

The Presence of Mahavatar Babaji was an overwhelming feeling of Unconditional Love and caring. He didn't show me an image of him (like Sri Yukteswar did), however, I somehow 'knew' that it was him. His Presence felt like the actual Presence of God - It was incredibly emotional and deeply humbling. That incredible Presence drops you to your knees (figuratively speaking) and you feel 'unworthy' in that Divine Presence, so to speak.

The underlying message (from both of them) has been the feeling that they are here to assist and support me in my spiritual growth. It almost feels like being "trained" by them at times. Also, I feel a very strong, loving connection with both of them. It's almost like the feeling you would have with an older Brother (or caretaker) who is always looking out for you. Personally, I feel a deep love for them.

A couple of specific examples-

1) I have been given the message that I am currently going through a "purification" process (In fact, I believe that we are all going through this process). The word used was "purification"; meaning that various ego-self issues are to be transcended in order to become a clearer 'channel' for Source Energy (i.e. God) to come through. Both Babaji and Yukteswar have been helping me with overcoming specific ego-self issues.

2) One day during meditation, it was kinda funny because Mahavatar Babaji let me know that I was pronouncing his name incorrectly. I was emphasizing the 2nd syllable of Babaji and He gave me the correct pronunciation. It wasn't conveyed by him out of pride (on his part), but just to let me know that the energy emitted is different when pronounced differently.

3) I asked for help (and received it) from Babaji in order to overcome a specific fear. Additionally, I ask Yukteswar periodically for wisdom and understanding on things I am confused about (or struggling with).

For me, the bottom line is that there is an incredible amount of PERSONAL help out there available to EVERYONE. Masters, Gurus, Archangels, the Christ, the Holy Spirit, personal Guides, personal Angels, etc. are all at our disposal. It merely takes asking for their help and an earnest willingness to develop a CONNECTION with them.

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Post by Lotus ♥ on Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:51 am

Blessed are you, moretocome.

For those who might not be fully aware of the significance and importance of this experience let me add, that Babaji is not just a guru or even an "extremely advanced Master" as moretocome put it. In short, if Jesus the Christ ever had a master, that would be Babaji. The tradition has it that he didn't (and doesn't) die, but only manifests and de-manifests his body at will. Speaking of supernatural powers, he had attained ALL powers ever heard of, including omniscience and omnipresence. Babaji therefore, like Jesus, was a deathless avatar of God. No wonder "His Presence," said moretocome, "felt like the actual Presence of God." It is, indeed.

The other saint mentioned here was one of his disciples (and the master of Yogananda himself the author of the book--and the yogi I wrote briefly about before, whose body didn't decompose or decay after his death). Two more quick comments:


... The word used was "purification"; meaning that various ego-self issues are to be transcended in order to become a clearer 'channel' for Source Energy (i.e. God) to come through.
Why would God need or want to come through? Admittedly I thought the same before, but later found out that this might still be the ego, still seeking to play a role even in this divine scene. Purification, I believe, is not for God to come through, but for us to remember who we are.  

For me, the bottom line is that there is an incredible amount of PERSONAL help out there available to EVERYONE. Masters, Gurus, Archangels, the Christ, the Holy Spirit, personal Guides, personal Angels, etc. are all at our disposal. It merely takes asking for their help and an earnest willingness to develop a CONNECTION with them.
Yes, definitely, but just for now. At the end of the day, all these are IN you. They all manifest as such to our mind and senses, but still from within us. So yes, we should connect with them and humbly seek their help, especially those of us on the Path of Love, Bhakti, like you. Yet, ultimately, at least on the Path of Knowledge, Jnana, Self-realization involves realizing that ALL are but illusory "appearances" in the dream of the world, nothing more. There is absolutely NOTHING here; there only exists the Self—You.

Namaste my friend.
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Post by moretocome on Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:45 am

Lotus ♥ wrote:
For those who might not be fully aware of the significance and importance of this experience let me add, that Babaji is not just a guru or even an "extremely advanced Master" as moretocome put it. In short, if Jesus the Christ ever had a master, that would be Babaji. The tradition has it that he didn't (and doesn't) die, but only manifests and de-manifests his body at will. Speaking of supernatural powers, he had attained ALL powers ever heard of, including omniscience and omnipresence. Babaji therefore, like Jesus, was a deathless avatar of God. No wonder "His Presence," said moretocome, "felt like the actual Presence of God." It is, indeed.

The other saint mentioned here was one of his disciples (and the master of Yogananda himself the author of the book--and the yogi I wrote briefly about before, whose body didn't decompose or decay after his death).

Beautifully said Lotus! I'm so glad u added this to my comment. Your words give a more in-depth and richly inspiring description of them both. Thank you.  Smiley

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Why would God need or want to come through? Admittedly I thought the same before, but later found out that this might still be the ego, still seeking to play a role even in this divine scene. Purification, I believe, is not for God to come through, but for us to remember who we are.

Yes, definitely, but just for now. At the end of the day, all these are IN you. They all manifest as such to our mind and senses, but still from within us. So yes, we should connect with them and humbly seek their help, especially those of us on the Path of Love, Bhakti, like you. Yet, ultimately, at least on the Path of Knowledge, Jnana, Self-realization involves realizing that ALL are but illusory "appearances" in the dream of the world, nothing more. There is absolutely NOTHING here; there only exists the Self—You.  

Very true!

Most of the time, I write from the perspective of "separation" (or duality) in order that I might be understood and in order to convey a particular point, meaning, example, etc. Thus, I completely agree with the Truth of your words (even if my Posts do not reflect that agreement).  

In writing from a perspective of duality, I use the words “I”, “me”, “you”, “we”, etc. These are utilized for the sake of communication. In Truth, there is no separate “me” or “you” or anyone. As you so wonderfully express, there exists only the ONE, the Self.

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Namaste my friend.

Lotus, I want to take a moment to commend you for starting such a wonderful site with such a loving and inviting atmosphere. Thank you Brother!   I love you

Much Love,
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Post by Night Eyes on Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:00 am

moretocome wrote:Lotus, I want to take a moment to commend you for starting such a wonderful site with such a loving and inviting atmosphere. Thank you Brother!   I love you

Much Love,
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Seconded, Lotus is truly an inspiration and a wonderful person, i'm truly grateful for him starting this forum and experience I love you I love you

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Most of the time, I write from the perspective of "separation" (or duality) in order that I might be understood and in order to convey a particular point, meaning, example, etc. Thus, I completely agree with the Truth of your words (even if my Posts do not reflect that agreement).  

In writing from a perspective of duality, I use the words “I”, “me”, “you”, “we”, etc. These are utilized for the sake of communication. In Truth, there is no separate “me” or “you” or anyone. As you so wonderfully express, there exists only the ONE, the Self.

I use these “identifiers” (i.e. "me", "I", "you", etc.) for the purpose of communicating ideas and information. Without the use of identifiers, it would be nearly impossible for me to communicate the ideas I wish to express through the written word.
Understood, of course. Language is not very helpful here. However, it wasn't the words or pronouns that I meant, but the concepts. And while it's alright, perhaps even recommended, to seek the gurus' or the angels' or the gods' help, I think it's equally recommended to at least remember that the greatest help comes from within. Even those mentioned can't really help without first "tuning-in" the individual consciousness to be "receptive" to their help.

What are "angels," for example? Even if we believed in the actual existence of these beings, as is the case in religion or magic, they still couldn't exist or manifest on this human plane unless through the human consciousness. As the amazing Butler once explained it in his Magic (1952): "When we tune in to our favourite radio programme, whatever it may be, we do not hear the actual voice of the singer, or the actual sound of the instrument. What we hear is a reproduction, a projected reproduction of the actual voice or sound. So it is in evocation and invocation. We make contact through our own energised consciousness with the consciousness of the beings we seek to evoke and the "visible appearance" we conjure up is a projection from our own mind. … The appearances which are seen are conditioned by the subjective mental machinery of the magician himself. Through this machinery also, the actual power and energy of the invisibles is brought through into the waking consciousness. Not that the identical power of the invisibles is brought through, but rather the effect of the contact of the consciousness of the magician with that of the being invoked or evoked arouses into activity the corresponding force within himself, and it is this corresponding power which is projected and which produces the results desired."

So all come from within, even in magic where all such beings are believed to have actual, literal existence. Now take it a step further: what if all these beings don't really exist? What if they all, and we as well, are but "ideas" in the Divine Mind? And what if this Divine Mind is indeed your own mind, once liberated?  


This is what I implied and meant to point out, although I fully agree with you, of course, about the crisis of language and of the duality-based human mind itself in general.


Lotus, I want to take a moment to commend you for starting such a wonderful site with such a loving and inviting atmosphere. Thank you Brother!    
Seconded, Lotus is truly an inspiration and a wonderful person, i'm truly grateful for him starting this forum and experience.
Thank you both so much for your very kind words. The credit definitely goes to all those present and active. In any case, I believe it'd be much more accurate if you viewed it as your own manifestation, not anyone's initiative or site. Even I, apparently doing this or that, saying this or that, am but an expression of your soul, just projected outside through the magical mirrors of the mind.

Reminded me of the last book I read on Advaita. At some point the disciple asked:

If the Supreme Self had by joining the I-mode of the mind become the illusory human, he should appear as a single human. But there are many humans. How can the single Reality manifest as innumerable humans?
 
The guru replied:

As soon as the illusion of a single human becomes operative in the Pure Supreme Self, it naturally begets other illusory humans in the Pure Ether of Knowledge. If a dog enters a room walled by mirrors, it first gives rise to one reflection in one mirror which by a series of reflections becomes innumerable and the dog finding itself surrounded by so many other dogs growls and shows fight. So it is with the Self of pure, non-dual Consciousness. The illusion of one human is perforce associated with illusion of several humans.



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Post by Night Eyes on Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:44 am

Well Lotus, you will always be one of my favourite reflections I love you

Just out of curiosity, and if i've got the wrong end of the stick, as i do in these things quite often, i was just wondering this (sorry if i'm being thick)

Ok so if we use the reflection analogy, and the dog is in a room walled with mirrors and becomes aggressive... then all the reflections will be aggressive yes?.... so how then, if everything and everyone is a reflection of ourselves.. do we have such a mixture of different reflections all at the same time? perhaps i'm using the dog metaphor too literally... i've probably just answered this in my own head, but i shall wait for your explanation anyways I love you

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Post by moretocome on Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:07 am

Lotus ♥ wrote:

So all come from within, even in magic where all such beings are believed to have actual, literal existence. Now take it a step further: what if all these beings don't really exist? What if they all, and we as well, are but "ideas" in the Divine Mind? And what if this Divine Mind is indeed your own mind, once liberated?  

This is what I implied and meant to point out....
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Yes! Indeed. Absolutely beautifully expressed.

I enjoyed your Post. Thank you for sharing Lotus. I am always inspired by your depth of knowledge and your unwavering focus on Truth.  I love you

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Hi Night. No not at all. Smiley You never sound thick here; you're rather one of the smartest I've ever met and so are your questions, or rather revisions.

Ok so if we use the reflection analogy, and the dog is in a room walled with mirrors and becomes aggressive... then all the reflections will be aggressive yes?
No. what we are talking about here is the "jiva," what we usually translate as the human "self" or "soul." Is your soul any different from mine? Is your "I am" different from my "I am"? No. they're not even identical, rather one and the same—only "appearing" many in the mind's mirrors. It's always "I am" and it's always now and here, the one and only one Soul in existence.

(Why the illusion then? Because you defined this infinite soul of yours as a separate and localized self. Doing so, you instantly, and necessarily, manifested a "not-self" in contrast. Because you believe you are a separate self in here, a not-self had to appear out there. The whole world therefore spread out, seemingly separate from you. Both the self and not-self are illusory, but you thus manifested everything apparently outside you and fell in the trap of duality: I vs. the world. I vs. you. I vs. them, etc.)
 


.... so how then, if everything and everyone is a reflection of ourselves.. do we have such a mixture of different reflections all at the same time?
Please remember that no one really exists in the first place, not even you (as you currently define yourself). This is only a dream. All that you see exists only "in" you, and it only shows how creative you are. You're so creative you've imagined into being all of this—from the smallest worm crawling in the Amazon valley to the mightiest angels hovering in heaven. These all—nay, universes upon universes and innumerable worlds—are all in you. They are NOW all in you; they've never been "outside" you.

The dog's only mistake in that room of mirrors, therefore, was that he localized himself in the dog-body, confined his awareness in the dog-mind, and defined his being as the dog-self. So only from the dog's delusional perspective, and only inside the dream, there seem to be many out there, and they look different from one another. Yet the truth is, there is only you, and you are literally infinite. You are literally everywhere, in everything, the sole source of all that exists, and your awareness of everything is what gives everything their very being. You're the motion in all that moves, and the stillness of all that doesn't. You're the heat in fire, the wetness in rain, the fluidity of the oceans and the rigidity of the earth. All powers are manifestations of your potentials, all forms are images in your mind, all life derives from your spirit, and everything is an actualization of your boundless creativity and an expression of your limitless imagination.

(Is it any wonder, then, that people like Jesus, the Buddha or Babaji could turn water into wine, multiply the loaves, heal the sick or even raise the dead?) Very Happy

What you call Night, on the other hand, is an UTTER illusion. Despite the physical body and all vivid sensations, this "entity" is totally imaginary, not ANY more real than Lady Macbeth or Cinderella; King Kong or Spider-Girl.


Sorry if that was a bit lengthy. In the end I'm curious what answer you had in mind to your question, Night. Smiley



moretocome wrote:Yes! Indeed. Absolutely beautifully expressed.

I enjoyed your Post. Thank you for sharing Lotus. I am always inspired by your depth of knowledge and your unwavering focus on Truth.
Thank you my friend that was very kind of you. It was rather your sudden mention of Babaji that brought me in. Such people! I've been taught that we can't even read their books unless first permitted by them (the reason very few actually do) Smiley and that the mention of their names usually indicates their "presence" in person. So I had to come in, to comment and to salute the holy presence.

As for the focus on Truth, I think you're right. I'm very attentive and focused, but, you know, because it's very slippery. Very Happy Besides, it's not easy to be both everything and nothing at the same time, is it? Very Happy As for the knowledge, it's nothing, and really means nothing. If our "ignorance" or "blindness" is illusory after all, then so is our "knowledge" or even so called "enlightenment." These are only duality-based concepts; the mental overlay that rather hides than reveals Reality. Truth, what we are really after, is beyond both concepts, beyond all dualities, even incomprehensible to the mind. Truth therefore is to be directly experienced, not intellectually understood or articulated in words. Only my opinion anyway, of course. Thanks again and see you soon.
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Post by Night Eyes on Wed Dec 09, 2015 5:12 pm

lol Lotus well my answer wouldnt have been half as intelligent as yours or even anything on the same lines!

i think i was more on the path that there's so many different reflections as they're all representations or manifestations of the one conciousness.. like the ripples in the water (just to mix up some metaphors lol) yeah i wasnt going to say anything special, so thanks for your answer Smiley

as for the dog i had no real answer other than perception or perspective?.... if theres no duality then aggression wouldn't be a positive or a negative would it?

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Post by Lotus ♥ on Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:59 am

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Au contraire, this is true and very intelligent, Night.You just can't imagine the debate we have here. Very Happy

as for the dog i had no real answer other than perception or perspective?.... if theres no duality then aggression wouldn't be a positive or a negative would it?
The "aggression" part is obviously confusing you. Whether you "judge" it as positive or negative, aggression is not real. Nothing here is real. The only reality here, what's being reflected in the mirrors, and what the debate is all about, is the human soul, or "jiva." Do we each have an individual soul--the core or essence we usually call a soul? First the Buddha seems to have said No, or at least so he was misinterpreted by his disciples and this is what the Buddhists now believe anyway. Almost all others believed there was an individual human soul in each one and this is what "reincarnates" according to the doctrine of karma. When Sankara finally came, he developed all various doctrines and came up truly with the pinnacle of all human thought (Advaita, or non-duality). The Advaitins say, the soul does exist, true, but it's neither human nor individual. It's the very one and same Divine Soul. The "individuals" themselves do not exist in the first place. This is but a dream. Even the so called "reincarnations," along with the hells and heavens that might be experienced in between, even along with all higher beings, devas and even gods on all planes and worlds, ALL are illusory and all are in the dream. The only Truth there is, is the Self, or God if you prefer.

(This in fact solved almost all persistent problems and contradictions in the long history of both religion and philosophy, still on very sound and logical basis, the reason I called it the pinnacle of all human thought. But anyway) let's now get back to the dog: What was meant by this analogy was to only explain how the one universal Soul could appear as many individual souls.

So the soul in you and the soul in me are not two souls, but two "appearances" of the one and only Divine Soul—the only Reality in the human dream.

But are we, in the dream, only souls? No. We also (seem to) have individual minds and individual bodies. That the one and only Soul appears to be many doesn't necessarily mean that our dream-bodies and dream-minds will think or look or behave exactly the same. While the Divine Soul in us is not only identical but rather one and the same, our apparently individual minds and bodies are illusory, and are products of the dream. They exist only inside the dream, and are subject to the dream-laws, from the laws of physics to the law of attraction.


Therefore, although it's one Soul, inside the dream one may seem to be "aggressive;" another, compassionate. One may look like a sinner; another, like a saint. One may come across as Gandhi; another, as Hitler. Yet, ALL THESE PEOPLE including you are NOTHING AT ALL. This whole drama is an UTTER ILLUSION. It exists ONLY in your imagination.

To get a sense of how imaginary this world is, let's do this simple exercise:

Close your eyes. Imagine that you are in a womb. Imagine that you recognize this woman as your mother. Imagine you're being born. Imagine you're now in the world..... This, Night, is how you came to the world LITERALLY. You just imagined it all, and it instantly manifested. You're literally imagining the whole thing, right from the beginning. You're not even here; you've never been here; you never had a body, and you were NEVER born. All along you are just closing your eyes and DREAMING.

So what aggression? Who's aggressive, and to whom? Very Happy
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Post by Night Eyes on Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:28 am

Thanks for your wonderful post Lotus, i'm not being rude i will reply to it later only this morning i'm in a rush, so i'll come back to it once i've mulled it over I love you

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Post by moretocome on Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:40 am

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It was rather your sudden mention of Babaji that brought me in. Such people! I've been taught that we can't even read their books unless first permitted by them (the reason very few actually do) Smiley and that the mention of their names usually indicates their "presence" in person.

Truly Fascinating!

Lotus ♥ wrote:So I had to come in, to comment and to salute the holy presence.

So glad you did.  I love you

Lotus ♥ wrote:As for the focus on Truth, I think you're right. I'm very attentive and focused, but, you know, because it's very slippery. Very Happy Besides, it's not easy to be both everything and nothing at the same time, is it? Very Happy

LOL. Quite right.  Laughing


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Truth, what we are really after, is beyond both concepts, beyond all dualities, even incomprehensible to the mind. Truth therefore is to be directly experienced, not intellectually understood or articulated in words. Only my opinion anyway, of course.

I'm in complete agreement, my friend. Wonderfully said (as usual). Very Happy

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Post by Night Eyes on Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:52 am

Lotus i've been thinking about your post... and well i cant in any way disagree with it, and i do believe i understand that we are one soul, and i understand the non-duality of things..... i guess what i'm doing is taking the analogy of the dog and the mirror too literally and skimming across the surface just to be difficult, because for me... if Night Eyes looks in the mirror... the reflection is Night Eyes, i wouldnt see Lotus, or MTC or the Dog, now of course i understand we are all one.......

Night Eyes is a reflection of Lotus, who is a reflection of mtc, and so on and so forth...but we will still only see the illusion of ourselves in a mirror, and it only changes as we move and change infront of the mirror, however unless i develop some magical powers i'm not going to look in the mirror, or even in a hall of mirrors and see Lotus, even though i understand Night Eyes and Lotus are the same thing, just different illusions .....

i hope that makes sense, i'm not sure if i'm explaining clearly

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Post by Lotus ♥ on Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:03 pm

Thanks, Moretocome.
Also glad we're in agreement; it's an honor my friend. 

Night Eyes wrote:Lotus i've been thinking about your post... and well i cant in any way disagree with it, and i do believe i understand that we are one soul, and i understand the non-duality of things..... i guess what i'm doing is taking the analogy of the dog and the mirror too literally and skimming across the surface just to be difficult, because for me... if Night Eyes looks in the mirror... the reflection is Night Eyes, i wouldnt see Lotus, or MTC or the Dog, now of course i understand we are all one.......

Night Eyes is a reflection of Lotus, who is a reflection of mtc, and so on and so forth...but we will still only see the illusion of ourselves in a mirror, and it only changes as we move and change infront of the mirror, however unless i develop some magical powers i'm not going to look in the mirror, or even in a hall of mirrors and see Lotus, even though i understand Night Eyes and Lotus are the same thing, just different illusions .....

i hope that makes sense, i'm not sure if i'm explaining clearly
This is the whole point of "awakening," Night. Smiley I'm glad of your persistence; thank you.

The classical metaphor here is that of the rope in dim light that you mistake for a snake. Is it a rope or a snake? It's a rope. Deluded, however, your mind "superimposes" the image of a snake on the rope. You thus don't see the real rope, but the illusory snake. This is the magic of the mind.

Similarly, when you look at mtc, you don't see the one Soul, the true Self, or God if you prefer. Instead, you see the illusory man you recognize as mtc. But mtc is not real. It's an image that your mind, deluded, superimposes on Reality. Reality is only the Self, or God; this is all there is. Awake, you see the Supreme everywhere, in every rock or tree or bird, as in every woman and man. Because this is truly the Self, yourself, everything then functions as a mirror, constantly reflecting you. Although they may not literally or visually change their form or physique, you'll still realize the Truth in everything, see through the veils, recognize the real rope behind the illusory snake, or the "one gold" in the "different ornaments" they're all made of.


So far, mtc doesn't function or look really like a mirror. You see only "another" man there, only the mask or the fake image your mind superimposed on him. Why do you see only illusions, not the truth? Because what you see outside comes from what you believe and how you define yourself inside. Inside, you know yourself as Night Eyes, the "woman" in this "body" in here—one among billions. Your mind therefore "structures" your reality in accordance. Coming across *this* indefinite and formless, in the street for example, your mind scans your memory to pick up one of those billions, matches the mtc-idea with the mtc-image, "superimposes" the finite form on the infinite reality, then finally projects outside the "corresponding" and perfect illusion—of "another" person, like you, now a "man" in another body out there, mtc.

Awake, instead, you see or rather experience the Supreme behind mtc. He still looks like mtc, as the rope still looks like a snake. But now awake you also see the rope not only the snake, and then gradually lose sight altogether of the illusion. Awake; that is, recognizing who you truly are and identifying with the ultimate and only Truth there is, you're totally oblivious to this illusory "persona" and consequently to all other personas and masks. You don't even have within and without; the very duality of your inside and outside itself is no more. Rather, you feel everywhere. You see and know you are literally in everything and everything is in you. And while the world all around is moving, you remain perfectly still, motionless, changeless, in your infinite peace and serenity. All appearances or images left then; those of the people or the rivers or the trees or the stars, all then only serve as constant reminders, or even only presentations and displays, of your limitless creativity and omnipresent being.

* * *

Finally, this Truth, this Supreme, this Absolute, we recognize as the Self, not God, because it's not separate; not another entity in contrast to this entity; and definitely not a mighty being up there in heaven, or even a subtle spirit hidden somewhere within. The Supreme, rather, is the very Consciousness right now looking from behind your eyes. He is not close, or even identical; he is ONE with you. He is your very self—the only self there is. He is simply who you are.

Therefore, first, you don't need to "go" anywhere or "attain" anything in order for this truth to shine forth. It's who you ARE. So just drop your illusions, let go of your "story" and be who you are. Second, come as the Self, not as Night Eyes, and look again: would he still be mtc? Would he even be doing anything or saying anything at all? Or would you rather see through the magic and instantly expose the illusory show, the myriads of "perceptions" and "sensations," behind which his Truth and your Truth are identical?


Hopefully this answers your questions, O restless mind. Very Happy
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Post by Night Eyes on Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:29 pm

arghhhh Lotus Lotus Lotus... you blow my tiny little restless mind haha

ok i'm going to forget the mirror analogy, as i can see my illusory mind going round the houses on this one.....

and if its ok with you i'm going to take time on this last post of yours.. or find a way to let it go deeper than intellectual understanding... so far its only fleeting moments where i've experienced it on a deeper level, such as extreme joy or extreme emotional turmoil.


i get it... but i cant always feel or experience it....

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Post by moretocome on Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:12 am

Night Eyes wrote:
i get it... but i cant always feel or experience it....

Hi Night Eyes!

There are very, very few who can articulate Truth with incredible skill through the written word. Lotus is one of these rare cases.

However, Lotus' ability to speak about Truth with authority comes from his direct experience of Truth. He knows (beyond mere intellectual understanding) that there is no "separate self" because he's had a profound experience of this Truth.

Some call it a mystical experience. Others call it a spiritual experience. Some refer to it as the experience (or realization) of no-self. Anyone who has experienced it understands what the term "no-self" means. There is no separate "you" or "me" or "other". The 'separate self' is a mental construct - It is creation of the mind. It is a false belief.

I'll get to the point-

In Lotus' words, "Truth therefore is to be directly experienced, not intellectually understood or articulated in words." I wholeheartedly agree. Intellectual understanding is valuable, however, experiencing Truth is altogether different.  

Just to clarify - I've had the 'no-self' experience. Once this Truth is experienced, "you" will never look at "you" or anyone else in the same way again. Your perception is changed forever (in a wonderful & beautiful way).

Contrary to what most people believe, there are specific ways to trigger the experience / realization of no-self. The following provide several ways in which to trigger the no-self experience (or realization).

All of the following are free:

   1) Read the Main Page at http://www.no-self.com/
       
   2) There is a Forum that assists people with "seeing no-self".
http://liberationunleashed.com/

   3) Read the online e-Book, Butterflies are Free to Fly, by Stephen Davis.
http://www.butterfliesfree.com/
(This e-book was what initially triggered my experience.)


Best wishes along your path, I love you
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