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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:52 pm

As suggested by the President Roosevelt, I'm starting a new LOA thread in the hope that new members find it a nice, cosy place to join in the discussion. Come sit around the winter fireplace and listen and learn and show and tell all about Bashar.



Whom I personally know nothing about!

But I want to learn. Smiley

Here is a video on Changing Core Beliefs:



Please, join us, let's talk about this. I love you

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Re: The Bashar Thread

Post by President Roosevelt on Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:22 pm

lunareclipse? kazoo? Where are you?

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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:24 pm

Now now young man you don't get out of posting THAT easily Razz Razz

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Post by lunareclipse on Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:51 pm

Haha, I swear I was thinking of starting a Bashar thread yesterday. I just woke up so I'm gonna have my coffee and get kids fed but I'll come back to this Very Happy

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Post by kazoo on Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:04 pm

I've been meaning to get to this thread and I finally have a chance!

I remember when I first saw a Bashar video I was like "WTF is this??" It just looked too out there. But I'm glad I gave him a chance because the message is brilliant.

Now I admit I'm skeptical of "channeled beings" and all of that. I don't know if Darryl came up with the Bashar persona as some sort of gimmick or if he genuinely hears voices or something. None of that really matters to me. The message just really resonates with me.

So thanks Selina, for creating this thread! Very Happy I'm so glad I have a place to post Bashar videos and discuss the ideas! I'll definitely be back to add more!
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Post by kazoo on Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:20 am

Bashar Letting Go of Fear Embracing Self Love



There are other videos where he goes more in depth about these topics but I figured not everyone wants to watch longer videos. This one sums things up nicely.
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Post by rodan on Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:29 am

kazoo wrote:
Now I admit I'm skeptical of "channeled beings" and all of that.  I don't know if Darryl came up with the Bashar persona as some sort of gimmick or if he genuinely hears voices or something.  None of that really matters to me.  The message just really resonates with me.

Bashar ( channeled through Darryl Anka ) says he/they is an extraterrestrial being.

No doubt he/they have channeled some very interesting and beneficial information to human beings.

Now, for those of you who have been to his seminars, or, have a genuine, true belief in that he is what he/they say he is.............

Has he, or, was he even asked, to perform a miracle? You know, heal someone, make something appear out of thin air on stage at a seminar, change water into wine, make french bread appear from nothing?

I'm not being facetious, if I'm giving off that vibe, ( hard to convey true feeling in type text, but, you all know that from communicating on the web ), I'm being genuinely serious.

Has Bashar performed any miracles?
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Post by rodan on Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:24 am

I came across information from "rationalwiki" ( first time I came across something other than " wiki " ) about Bashar. Not sure if it contains information any different form regular wiki, but, here's the link:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Darryl_Anka

I have, along with a couple of other members here, mentioned Uri Geller's name, and, I noticed Darryl Anka, according to this website, had a ufo encounter, along with witnesses.........

Anyway, those of you who are interested in Bashar, maybe give it a look, and see if what you think.

I'd still like to hear from someone, who may have some information on whether or not Darryl Anka could maybe do some extra ordinary things, like Uri Geller did . ( Bend spoons, move objects, etc. )
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Post by Guest on Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:41 pm

rodan wrote:No doubt he/they have channeled some very interesting and beneficial information to human beings.

Now, for those of you who have been to his seminars, or, have a genuine, true belief in that he is what he/they say he is.............

Has he, or, was he even asked, to perform a miracle?  You know,  heal someone, make something appear out of thin air on stage at a seminar,  change water into wine, make french bread appear from nothing?

May be he is capable of doing all those miracles.
The real question, in my opinion, here is that "are we able to tune in to that?"

Lately, I've developed massive liking toward the concepts of dimenstions and nature of the universe.
Been researching a lot lately.

In the world of LoA, we often talk about the idea of "tuning into certain frequency."
Take radio or even TV channel or heck, even youtube stream for example.
All those things are singleton and you can only experience the channel that you're tuned in on. You can simultaneosly listen to or watch any other channel on the same stream.

After I had my first astral projection experience, all these things don't seem far fetched.
We are, right now, tuned in to the frequency of 7.23 centimeters (wavelength of the 3rd dimension). These ETs or aliens or whatever people like to call them, exist on a different frequency and thus they can't be seen or heard or felt. (Just like the radio).
It now makes sense why love is the most potent power in the world and why you need to focus on yourself and why negative emotions must be quarantined and what does it really mean when people say "all is one and one is all".

I've been listening to Bashar and Abraham both Since August and have developed a completely new perspective and perception towards this whole deal.

I'd be very much interested in participating in this discussion. Smiley

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Post by The Simplifier on Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:42 pm

Adi wrote:
May be he is capable of doing all those miracles.
The real question, in my opinion, here is that "are we able to tune in to that?"

I'm with you on this, Adi. This is why asking for proof is never an objective thing, because we cannot be the receiver of proof if we are not tuned to it.

They're calling for volunteers at Bashar events and in turn you get free admission. Thinking of signing up!
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Post by President Roosevelt on Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:37 pm

Adi wrote:After I had my first astral projection experience, all these things don't seem far fetched.

Astral projection? Don't leave me hanging man, I want details!  Smile

Adi wrote:
It now makes sense why love is the most potent power in the world and why you need to focus on yourself and why negative emotions must be quarantined and what does it really mean when people say "all is one and one is all".

How did you realize that love is the most potent power in the world?

About "all is one and one is all", what does it really mean? I think I remember K-Win or someone saying that the "oneness of all things" is what the Illuminati wants to deny us from knowing/experiencing. Why?

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I've been listening to Bashar and Abraham both Since August and have developed a completely new perspective and perception towards this whole deal.

How has you perspective changed? C'mon man, I want details! lol Cool
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Post by Guest on Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:38 pm

President Roosevelt wrote:Astral projection? Don't leave me hanging man, I want details!  Smile

Sure! What do you want to know?

President Roosevelt wrote:How did you realize that love is the most potent power in the world?

About "all is one and one is all", what does it really mean? I think I remember K-Win or someone saying that the "oneness of all things" is what the Illuminati wants to deny us from knowing/experiencing. Why?

If it was so easy to explain and put it into words accurately, I believe there was no religious hoax and other superstitions and psychological manipulation.
It needs to be "felt" in order to understand. Smiley

When K-Win explained it, I misunderstood. It was all about the "infinite formless substance" as explained in "The Science of Getting Rich".

If you read K-Win's posts with a little more open mind and look beyond the "labels" ( Illuminati, for example) you would realize that there is nothing anyone else can do in YOUR life.
I hae gotten over these ideas of Secret Societies and conspiracy theories, especially after I realized what I postd in my previous post. I don't want get involved in the discussion of whether or not Secret societies exist - Frankly, it doesn't matter whether they exist or not.
It is your attention to their existance makes them real and brings them in your experience.

Trust me mate, no information is kept secret ny anyone. In fact, no one can keep it separate or "secret".
Remember whats said in The Kybalion

"The lips of wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding"
-- The Kybalion.

There are other saying as well - "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear".

Now, from the personal experience - These "Teachers" may not be what you expect them to be.
It can be a dog, a child, a tree, an event, someone you (used to) hate and dispise ("used to" because -  unless you get over your own hatred you don't posses the ears of understanding)
It may not be like - I was browsing the internet and I saw one interesting link - I clicked it. One link lead to anotber and I found myself on this website. Now I have all the sacred knowledge.
This isn't the only way.

Often these teachers speak directly to your intuition. That is why it is said that successful people are guided by the infinite intelligence. That is why they make all sorts of right decisions and are always found at the right place at the right time. These things are not comprehensible to human "intellect". These things are "felt" and so you follow yiur intuition no matter how unrealistic and impracticle it may sound.
But here is the thing - the lust of unrealistic achievement and making impracticle practicle is what has driven humanity to the current stage.

Back to "Illuminati".
Assuming they do exist - you will see the funniest phenomenon around it.
We have these people called "consipiracy theorist". They think they are "dubunking" these societies of whatever. But hwat they don't realize is that they are making people more afraid of them and in fact, making them more powerful.

But what you need to realize is that your belief and/or disbilief in them is what gives them existence in YOUR experince.

I really like the way Abraham puts it - There are no victims - there is just vibrational alignment and allowance.

Now, my question is - if you "theoretically" know that love is the most powerful thing, why would someone go on seeking answers in secret societies?

President Roosevelt wrote:How has you perspective changed? C'mon man, I want details! lol Cool

"The lips of wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding"
-- The Kybalion. Wink

First, cups need to be empty. Mine was overflowing. Very Happy

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Post by President Roosevelt on Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:58 pm

Thanks Adi Smile

What was your astral projection experience like? How did you do it? What did you experience? What is the astral plane like? What did you learn about the world beyond or this world?
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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:06 am

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I'm with you on this, Adi. This is why asking for proof is never an objective thing, because we cannot be the receiver of proof if we are not tuned to it.

They're calling for volunteers at Bashar events and in turn you get free admission. Thinking of signing up!

True!

What people also need to realize is that when they ask for "scientific" evidence, what they are actually doing is asking you to explain higher of lower dimensional things in terms of our 3 dimensional world instruments and theories. If our 3rd dimensional diveices are not sophisticated enough to detect those frequencies, then it must not exist.

It's easier to turn on a deaf ear than to accept that our instruments suck. Very Happy Scientists are arrogant, anyway.

Oh! Yeah! Go ahead and volunteer with Bashar!
I'm sure you'll get to learn a lot more and that too from an authentic source. Smiley[/quote]

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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:53 am

President Roosevelt wrote:Thanks Adi Smile

What was your astral projection experience like? How did you do it? What did you experience? What is the astral plane like? What did you learn about the world beyond or this world?

What was your astral projection experience like?
- Depends.
If, for you Adventure > Safety , I'm sure you're gonna enjoy it.
The scariest part is when you're actually leaving the body. And the hardest as well - as in you must not wake up. Very Happy
I still fail at this step and then I'm like ah! fuck! my night is ruined Very Happy
I have only successfully done this twice in last 2 months.

How did you do it?

There is a practice in Hinduism for improving concentration. It's called "Tratak".
Which means focusing on single point for extended period of time.
There are two popular variations of this. Surya Tratak (Staring at the sun) and Jyoti Tratak (Staring at the flame).

Staring at the rising sun is the best. It improves your visualization and your ability to see colors and manioulating images. The morning sun rays improve your eye strength as well.
There are some hardcore people I have seen so far who can stare at the burning sun at 12 noon (that too in India where it gets super hot) without any trouble.
Ofcurse none of us "industrialized" people can do it. These people are often old and have been doing Yoga and meditation daily for last 50 60 years. Eating purely organic farm grown food.

In order to astral project you must be able to focus on certain point for a long time. It's mentally tiring and requires a lot of concentration.
Next you must know WHY you want to astral project. In my case, It was boredom and I wanted to be able to do something exciting. I was given a intuitional "hint" to try this. Very Happy

On to the actual technique.

Light a candle. and focus on the "top of the flame" for 10 to 15 mins. It help of you crank in some binaurial tunes for relaxation.
Then lie down and close your eyes. You will see the impression of the flame in front of your mind's eye. Focus on this flame imprssion.
It will tend to move all over the place. But make sure you follow the flame. After a few seconds it will "rest" at one point. The point where it rests is where your actual 3rd eye is located. Focus on your third eye (meaning on the flame impression). And it will turn into a circle very soon.

When you focus on this for a while, you will get a sensation that you are travelling through a tube. And you will see a lot of shapes and colors etc. You may as well see random faces coming at you through the tube wall. But make sure not to lose focus. If you lose the foucs you will be left astray somewhere in what we call a "void". So when you feel like you;re entering the "tube", you will see the light at the end of the tunnel. Always be mentally fixated on that light. And follow that light.
Once your whole body is relaxed, you will find yourself in a new world. The astral world. Very Happy

The candle flame technique is not really necessary. It serves as means to keep your mind engaged while your body rests. If you focus on something as less exciting as focusing on breath, consciouly relaxing each and every part of your body, chances are, you may get too relaxed and fall asleep and enter into some random dream. Very Happy

So following candle flame keeps your mind awake. This works best for me.

What did you experience?

I haven't yet seen the Astral world, the way people have described it on YouTube and other blogs. Like you floating over your body and can see your physical body sleeping.
Considering I have done it twice, here is what I did.

First time my vision in the astral place was blurred. I just commanded a great vision and it had clear vision. lol.
I thought of a mango tree and the mango tree just appeared in front of me out of the blue.
Then I just spend time doing stuff for shits and giggles and somehow woke up after 45 mins.
Yeah, I played cricket with a Shark fish as my bat Very Happy cherry
There was someone who grew his penis so long that he could swing it around and it will destroy a whole building. Very Happy (No I'm just kidding. But I plan on doing that )

Second time I thought of being present to the moment.
I saw various shapes. They were speaking different language. The ones I have no idea about .But Somehow it was making sense in my mind. I could communicate with them and they seemed to be understanding what I was talking about. Even though it didn't understand our language. Telepathic Communication? May be!

Then I made friends with the one that looked like a cube with tapered edges. It told me that in this world you can created anything with just a thought. Also, in this world your reflection is what your "real" reflection as seen by "real" people. (Real meaning, people of 3rd dimension)

Then I went to Silicon Valley. Very Happy Just for fun.

While all this was going on, I was fully conscious and could remember what I was doing. Very Happy

Now, where does love come into this? It's something one needs to experience in order to understand.

What is the astral plane like?

It reflects your belief systems and your dominant thought patterns. You will experience that your overall worldview is reflected in your astral plane. There is one awesome thing though. If you change something in your attitude in your astral plane, you will be able to retain it in your physical plane.

Like, in my case, my shift in attitude towards focusing on the good and the positives, it was super hard while I was employing my will power and thought power in physical plane - it seemed impossible to reach that goal. But once I decided to be a positive person in the astral plane, I don't know why but focusing on the positives in physical world "feels" like a no brainer.

What did you learn about the world beyond or this world?

Nothing substantial as of now. Except for that love is the most powerful energy in the universe and that all is spirit. The one is all and all is one! Very Happy
You will feel it deep within yourself and you will retain that understanding in your physical world.

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All of this, however, has opened my mind to the new possibilities!

You can do so many mind blowing things in the astral plane!

1) You can be busy doing your job in the daytime and in your astral plane, you can practice guitar! Then people will wonder if you have natural talent for playing guitar because they never see you practicing and you play it like a boss. lol.

2) You can learn many  other languages in astral plane.

3) You can study in astral plane.

4) You can do reserach in astral plane.

and much much more!
I actually thought of attending a lecture at Standford while I was asleep. Very Happy
But later decided screw that and instead checked out chicks on campus Very Happy
Then I woke up because of something.

- Hope that helps

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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:51 am

Adi wrote:How did you do it?

There is a practice in Hinduism for improving concentration. It's called "Tratak".
Which means focusing on single point for extended period of time.
There are two popular variations of this. Surya Tratak (Staring at the sun) and Jyoti Tratak (Staring at the flame).

Thank you so much for this post, Adi, I really feel as if I've manifested it -- I've been looking for spiritual ways of improving concentration for a while but hadn't heard of Tratak. Needless to say I will be working on this. Very Happy

It's so wonderful to have you on here. I love you

I love what you say about science, too. Very Happy As someone who grew up being a total little skeptic (don't ask me why, this is despite my mum having even read me picture books about reincarnation -- which I just shook my head at -- must be my dad's genes, he's even in the Skeptics Society...), despite always being interested in basic spirituality, I'd shock a younger version of myself to be saying this but science can really be just as delusional and dogmatic as religion.

How and where does science begin, how does it operate? With observation. But if our observation is flawed and our instruments of measurement defective, if we are only inhabiting one level of reality that does not allow us access to the truth, how can we ever hope to see the light? And how, anyway, can we ever hope to measure such things as love, or the most essential mysteries of the universe? I love Stephen Hawking with a passion just as I love everything that's going on these days with modern physics, but the whole "Theory of Everything" idea...how can we ever hope to understand everything? Physicists are finally looking at multiple universes and infinity seriously... well how can we ever, ever, hope to know everything, in an infinite universe? Especially when there are "things" that aren't things?


Nice little thing happened - being the pedant I am, I googled Skeptics Society to make sure that this was indeed the society he's in, and one of the search results I came up with was this:

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/11/08/founder-of-skeptics-society-rattled-after-witnessing-a-paranormal-event-michael-shermer/


Also, a book I've been meaning to read:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Science-Delusion-Rupert-Sheldrake/dp/144472794X


And a (guess what? Very Happy ) banned Ted Talk:





Thank you once more Adi for joining the discussion. Smiley And thank you to everyone else, too. I love you

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Post by rodan on Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:33 am

My reply got lost and I can't spend the time to retype it, but, in summary,

thanks SelinaM for those links. I ran across that one about Michael Shermer and his paranormal experience before, loved it.
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Post by lunareclipse on Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:08 am

Oh wow! I thought the hell would freeze over before Adi would accept Bashar lol, I guess miracles still do happen Razz PLOA

Look at you Adi! Evolving so quickly and you are only a baby! By the time you are 40, you will be the famous guru Sathya Sai Adi, mark my words y'all, you heard it here first!

To be honest I personally have not really ever tried or been interested in astral projection, I always thought it would take some serious mind mastering first, but it sounds cool. Since I don't know much about it, can you explain, what is the difference between a lucid dream and astral projection?
Does astral projection create an actual body double that other people can see and physically interact with?
I remember reading about a sailor, that while spending months out on a boat, used astral projection to visit his wife and kids, who could all physically see him as if he was there and all the included had same memories and perception of the conversations had. Then he would simply fade away for his family and wake up on a boat again.

Carlos Castaneda talks about a "double" that you can create while you are dreaming and describes interactions with some Indian (Mexican Native Indian) witches' doubles and the whole process of creating them. It seemed so interesting when I read about it. So basically you can create a double, that while you sleep, can have a full effect on the outer reality. Say you sleep and your double finishes off your essay (**cough**Selina** cough cough**) , then you wake up and voila! Essay is finished on the table. The only thing I vaguely remember is that the double could not eat or drink, so you might want to test that.

Just to prove you can really create a double, come wash my socks and leave a note "With love from Adi" on the top, then I'll believe you Razz PLOA

Now that you know that love is the strongest power in the universe, how do you harness it? Do you mean you just vibrate on the frequency of love and appreciation all the time with no expectations and then everything else just falls into place? Or what tips do you have?

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Post by Guest on Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:19 am

lunareclipse wrote:So basically you can create a double, that while you sleep, can have a full effect on the outer reality. Say you sleep and your double finishes off your essay (**cough**Selina** cough cough**) , then you wake up and voila! Essay is finished on the table. The only thing I vaguely remember is that the double could not eat or drink, so you might want to test that.

Even the original skips eating and drinking sometimes these days. Very Happy Thanks Lunar I need to look this up and see if I can get it happening.

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Post by rodan on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:57 am

@Adi: Quoted: " In the world of LoA, we often talk about the idea of "tuning into certain frequency."
Take radio or even TV channel or heck, even youtube stream for example.
All those things are singleton and you can only experience the channel that you're tuned in on. You can simultaneosly listen to or watch any other channel on the same stream.

After I had my first astral projection experience, all these things don't seem far fetched.
We are, right now, tuned in to the frequency of 7.23 centimeters (wavelength of the 3rd dimension). These ETs or aliens or whatever people like to call them, exist on a different frequency and thus they can't be seen or heard or felt. (Just like the radio)." end quote

You seem to have the ability to focus, and, that is what it takes do these things. Something I have been having trouble with, lately, but, at least I'm aware of it.
Focus is a very, very important ingredient to be able astral project, well, anything, for that matter.

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Re: The Bashar Thread

Post by Guest on Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:36 pm

Hi Everybody! Smiley

I liked reading all these awesome replies!

Selina and Rodan, I will get back to you after this post. For now, I think it is very useful to first address lunar's post since there are a few legitimate question that everyone has. Smiley
Please don't think you're being ignored. Smiley

lunareclipse wrote:I always thought it would take some serious mind mastering first, but it sounds cool. Since I don't know much about it, can you explain, what is the difference between a lucid dream and astral projection?
Does astral projection create an actual body double that other people can see and physically interact with?

1) Does astral projection require serious mind mastering?

Now this may sound unpleasant, but for you, especially, it IS going to take some serious mind mastering. Wink
You mind is preoccupied with this idea so you shut yourself off of an opportunity to learn something new.
This isn't the case for astral projection only. It's thee case with everything in life and it applies to everyone.
Like, for instance, it's very hard for me to keep my posts upbeat and energetic all the time - Something that comes naturally to you.

So to answer the question - It does take intense focus. Intense focus can be developed. The fastest exercise to develop intense focus is to do Tratak

Those who live in the area where they have daily access to the sun, Surya Tratak is best.
What you do is wake up before sun rise and stare at the rising beautiful red/orange ball of fire for 15 to 20 mins.
Alternatively, if you live in a place where you don't get to see the sun on a regular basis AND/OR you're too lazy to wake up early, you can do Jyoti Tratak.
Just light a white candle and start at the top of the flame for 15 to 20 mins.

And while you focus, make sure you only pay attention to your breathing. While staring at the sun.

How to know if you're doing this correctly?

If after some time, you see nothing else but the sun/flame AND your breath becomes minimal and sporadic - you're doing it right.

Within a week or two you will sense intense improvement in your ability to focus.

In the ancient epic of Mahabharata - the hero of the story - Arjuna (The one who received the great Bhagwad Geeta from lord Krishna himself) was a regular practitioner of Tratak.
This story explains the obvious advantages of tratak in a very simple way.

What is the difference between a lucid dream and astral projection?

As the name suggests, lucid dream is a dream. The dream is called lucid when you become aware that you're dreaming. You know it better than me because I am not a vivid dreamer like you. I've never swang across tall buildings liike Spiderman while wearing bath robe. Very Happy

Astral Projection, as the name suggest is a "projection". Our physical existence doesn't ONLY comprise of our physical body. The concentration of energy that we call a "physical body" is the densest part of our energetic configuration.
You must have heard terms like Aura. This is exactly what we are talking about.

Have a look at this beautiful picture



As you can see, we have several "bodies".
Astral Projection happens when we make our consciousness "leave" our physical body and allow it control our Astral Body. Therefore - Astral Projection. Smiley

Since this is etheric body, it is not bound by restrictions of our physical world - 3rd dimensional world.

You can Astral Project while you're cold hard awake. For lucid dreaming, you must be asleep. (Although I can be wrong in case of lucid dreaming)

Can Astral Projection create your double?

Indeed and interesting thought. Very Happy
As of now, I posses no information about this. But, going by the nature of our energetic configuration, we should be able to densify our other bodies in a way that looks like a clone of our physical body.
And this is very much possible.
How can I be so certain? Because, thoughts are things! If a mind can think about it, it can be created.
How to create it? That we shall see in future and no knowledge is available as of now. (at least with me)

And no! This is not a cop out from washing your socks. Very Happy

A lot of "ideas" and "powers" that are shown in Dragon Ball Z are getting increasingly possible now a days.




I will make another post about the final question about love very soon. Smiley

- Hope that helps!

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Re: The Bashar Thread

Post by Guest on Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:04 am

Back to the topic.

Thank you for wonderful words Selina Smiley

SelinaM wrote:I'd shock a younger version of myself to be saying this but science can really be just as delusional and dogmatic as religion.

Hehe!
What is the difference?

Science and religion, both exhibit basic human nature.

4th Hermatic Principle - The principle of polarity is what we see here in action.
Everything has poles and everything has its opposite.

We have religion, that promotes the idea of accepting everything at faith (even the lies)
And then we have science, just by going way too far on the opposite end of the same equation.
To reject everything based on observational existance (even the truth, like consciousness and faith)
Haha

Anyway,

Science is not that hardcore anyway.
Because the foundations the whole science is based on is not the truth. It's not even observations.
The science is based on what is called an Axiom.

An axiom is a statement that is considered to be true so that it could serve as a foundation for something.
Like in Geometry, the basic axiom is that everything begins with a "point".

Now what is a point?
The smallest indivisible entity.

First, it was molecule, then it was atom, then it was nucleus and electrons and now it is energy.
In fact, no one know what exactly the point is.

The definition of point is "Subjective" and it depends on the system being used.

So, even in science, nothing is objective. The objective changes based on the subjective. Very Happy

Same is the case with religion. It's use and harm totally depends on who is preaching it and who it is being preached to.

It is our duty to subjectivise the ideas and apply them a meaning that suits us and helps us bring about greater good of all.

This, I think, is where humanity is failing as of now.

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Post by Guest on Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:17 am

Thanks Adi. Very Happy I hope we can talk more about subjectivity/objectivity, science/religion, and astral projections (as well as the direction humanity's headed!!) soon; my head is currently spinning from work and tiredness, but the moment I'm feeling like my brain is in the right place to have a nice discussion I'll be back here to pick your brains... Wink

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Post by President Roosevelt on Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:24 pm

Interesting stuff. Bashar: The Fundamentals.

http://bashar.org/transcriptfundamentals.html
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Post by lunareclipse on Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:47 am

PR they used to have it as audio as well and that's the first one I ever heard ...aww nostalgia Very Happy

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